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    Greyhound place betting and how many places a dog race pays

    Greyhound place betting: how many places a dog race pays, when one empty box turns three places into two, each way terms, and a field of 7 worked in dollars.

    By the B337 team. Last updated 7 October 2026.

    The short answer

    • In greyhound place betting your dog only has to run in the places, winning included: on the tote, the top three from eight dogs at final scratchings, the top two from five to seven, none from four or fewer.
    • A greyhound race has eight starters at most, so on the tote three places need every box filled at final scratchings: one box left empty then makes it a two-place race.
    • A late scratching leaves its box empty but does not cut the tote's places, because the tote counts the field at final scratchings; a bookmaker that counts the dogs when you bet pays two on later bets.
    • Under NSW's greyhound betting rules, an on-course each way or place bet is paid by default at a quarter of the win odds for three places with eight dogs, or a third for two places with five to seven.
    • For example, $10 each way at $7.00 on those quarter-odds terms costs $20 and returns $95 if the dog wins, or $25 if it runs second or third.

    On this page

    1. How many places a greyhound race pays
    2. What reserves and empty boxes do to the places paid
    3. A place bet when the field drops to seven, worked
    4. Greyhound each way bets
    5. A fair place price from the win odds
    6. Dead heats and deductions on a place bet
    7. Mistakes that make greyhound place bets cost more
    8. Comparing greyhound prices across bookmakers

    In greyhound place betting, your dog only has to finish in the places, winning included. On the tote, the field at final scratchings sets how many places pay: the top three from eight dogs, the top two from five to seven, and none from four or fewer. The Greyhounds Australasia Rules (GAR), effective 1 January 2026, define a race as an event between up to eight greyhounds, so three places need every box filled: one scratching that no reserve covers can cut the places paid from three to two.

    NSW's greyhound rules count the dogs when an on-course bet is made instead, and online bookmakers write their own place terms. Greyhound racing betting explains how the race itself runs.

    How many places a greyhound race pays

    Each rule book counts the field at its own moment:

    Dogs in the fieldTote place bet (2010 tote rules)NSW on-course greyhound bookmakers (LR184AA)WA bookmakers (r 49 and r 50)Online bookmakers
    81st, 2nd or 3rd1st to 3rd, at a quarter of the win odds1st to 3rdSet in their terms
    5 to 71st or 2nd1st or 2nd, at a third of the win odds1st or 2ndSet in their terms
    4 or fewerNo place bettingNo rule givenNo place or each way betting (r 50(3))Set in their terms
    When the dogs are countedAt final scratchings; if fewer than five remain, the place pool is refundedWhen the bet is madeWhen the bet is madeSet in their terms

    The tote column is the place bet definition in the tote rules gazetted for Racing and Wagering Western Australia (WA Government Gazette No. 149, 3 August 2010), which fixes the field "notwithstanding any late Scratching". The NSW column is LR184AA of the NSW Greyhound Racing Rules, effective 1 November 2025; its fractions apply unless a bookmaker displays its own place odds on every runner, or a notice that it bets on other terms. WA's Rules of Wagering 2005 count starters "at the time the wager is made", and r 50(3) allows no place or each way bets when four or fewer are listed as betting opens.

    On the dogs, "8 or more" means exactly 8: a horse race of 12 can lose four runners and still pay three places, as place betting shows, but a greyhound race one dog short of eight at final scratchings pays two. An online bookmaker's terms can count the dogs when your bet is struck, at final scratchings as the tote does, or as they jump: its racing rules say which.

    What reserves and empty boxes do to the places paid

    A reserve dog, one of up to two named under GAR rule 85, can fill a scratched dog's box at the appointed scratching time, when scratchings close, and so keep the field at eight.

    What happened before the jumpDogs that startTote places
    A dog scratched before scratchings close, and a reserve takes its box8Three
    A dog scratched before scratchings close, with no reserve to replace it7Two
    Only seven dogs eligible at the box draw, so box 5 is left vacant (GAR rule 85(3))7Two
    A dog scratched late, after final scratchings, leaving its box empty7Three
    Late scratchings take a race that had five dogs at final scratchings down to four4Place pool refunded (rules 10.2 and 10.3)

    No reserve is available when none was named, or two dogs go with one reserve. Greyhound Racing Victoria's Bottom-Up meetings draw no reserves (grading guidelines effective 5 August 2026). A late scratching leaves a vacant box (rule 85(6)), yet the tote still pays three places.

    A place bet when the field drops to seven, worked

    Example: Illustrative prices, not a real race. You back box 2 for $20 to place in an eight-dog race. An on-course bookmaker working to the NSW greyhound terms has box 2 at $6.00 to win, so a place pays 1 + (6.00 - 1) / 4 = $2.25 with eight dogs. Box 2 finishes third, and the tote declares an illustrative place dividend of $2.35.

    What happens to the dog in box 5Dogs that startTote place betOn-course place bet, NSW greyhound terms
    Scratched before scratchings close; a reserve starts from box 58Three places: $20 x 2.35 = $47.00Struck on the final field: three places, $20 x 2.25 = $45.00
    Scratched before scratchings close; no reserve available7Two places: third returns nothingTwo places: third returns nothing
    Scratched late, after final scratchings; box 5 runs empty7Still three places: paid at the declared dividendStruck before the scratching: three places, $45.00 less any place deduction. Struck after it: two places, nothing

    The same third place is worth $47, $45 or nothing, depending on timing and whose rules apply.

    Greyhound each way bets

    Each way on a dog is two equal bets, win and place, so $10 each way is a $20 outlay. NSW on-course bookmakers, and WA bookmakers under r 55(7), pay the place half at the fractions in the first table: a quarter of the win odds with eight dogs, a third with five to seven. Online bookmakers set their own each way terms.

    With an illustrative $10 each way at $7.00 on quarter-odds terms, the place half pays 1 + (7.00 - 1) / 4 = $2.50:

    ResultWin half: $10 x 7.00Place halfTotal return on $20
    Wins$70.00$10 x 2.50 = $25.00$95.00
    Second or third, eight dogsNothing$25.00$25.00
    Second, bet struck with seven dogs (third would pay nothing)Nothing$10 x (1 + 6 / 3) = $30.00$30.00

    A placing covers the whole $20 only if the place half pays at least $2.00. At a quarter of the odds that takes a win price of 1 + 4 x (2.00 - 1) = $5.00 or longer; at a third, 1 + 3 x (2.00 - 1) = $4.00 or longer. The each way calculator runs these sums for any price.

    Risk: Betting involves risk. An each way bet doubles the outlay, a placing on a short dog can return less than you staked, and an unplaced run loses both halves. See responsible gambling for limits and support.

    A fair place price from the win odds

    A place price prices a top-two or top-three finish, not a fixed share of the win price. The Harville method estimates that chance from every dog's win chance, treating the race for second as a fresh race among the dogs left. How place odds are calculated sets out the method, and the Harville formula page explains its lean towards favourites in the minor places.

    Example: Illustrative chances, not a real race. A scratching that no reserve covered leaves seven dogs, so two places are paid. Your fair win chances are box 1 28%, box 2 20%, box 3 16%, box 4 12%, box 6 10%, box 7 8% and box 8 6%, adding to 100%.

    Box 3 runs second when another dog wins and box 3 beats the rest, so each term is the winner's chance x 0.16 / (1 - the winner's chance):

    WinnerWorkingChance box 3 runs second
    Box 10.28 x 0.16 / 0.726.22%
    Box 20.20 x 0.16 / 0.804.00%
    Box 40.12 x 0.16 / 0.882.18%
    Box 60.10 x 0.16 / 0.901.78%
    Box 70.08 x 0.16 / 0.921.39%
    Box 80.06 x 0.16 / 0.941.02%
    Total16.59%

    Top two = 16% + 16.59% = about 32.59%, a fair place price of 1 / 0.3259 = $3.068, so an illustrative $3.30 for the top two is 3.30 / 3.068 - 1 = 7.6% above it. Had three places been paid, as on the tote after a late scratching, the chance would rise to about 49.53%, a fair 1 / 0.4953 = $2.019. That adds the 30 orders in which box 3 runs third, each p(first) x p(second) / (1 - p(first)) x 0.16 / (1 - p(first) - p(second)).

    Risk: Betting involves risk. A fair place price is an estimate built from your own win chances, and a dog priced above it can still miss the places. See responsible gambling for limits and support.

    Dead heats and deductions on a place bet

    Under LR184AA, a dead heat for third with an NSW on-course bookmaker pays half the face value of the place portion: the worked race's $20 at $2.25 returns $45 / 2 = $22.50. Dead heat rules compares the tote and the other rule books.

    A late scratching can bring a place deduction, declared separately from the win deduction. NSW's greyhound rules stop an on-course deduction leaving a place bet with less than the stake plus 1% when eight dogs were listed when betting opened, or plus 2% with five to seven, dead heats aside.

    An illustrative $40 place bet at $1.25, with eight dogs listed when betting opened and a 22c deduction off the face value, would pay $40 x 1.25 x (1 - 0.22) = $39.00, so the floor lifts it to $40 x 1.01 = $40.40. Greyhound betting rules covers deductions in full.

    Mistakes that make greyhound place bets cost more

    • Each way on a short dog. An illustrative $10 each way at $3.40 on quarter-odds terms pays the place half at 1 + 2.40 / 4 = $1.60, so a placing returns $16 on a $20 outlay.
    • Judging a two-place price against a three-place fair price. In the worked race, an illustrative $2.60 looks 2.60 / 2.019 - 1 = 28.8% above fair for three places, but for the two places paid it is 2.60 / 3.068 - 1 = 15.3% below.
    • Betting after a late scratching with a bookmaker that counts the dogs when you bet: two places, while the tote on the same race still pays three.

    Risk: Betting involves risk. The right place terms change what a placing pays, not whether the dog places. See responsible gambling for limits and support.

    Comparing greyhound prices across bookmakers

    On the odds comparison board, the Terminal sets out 40+ bookmakers across racing and sports in columns, picks out the best available price on each runner and puts Betfair back and lay alongside, though some bookmakers skip some greyhound meetings. The board refreshes in cycles, so the price you see may already have moved at the bookmaker: check it there before you bet.

    A free account opens a limited view of the Terminal with live odds. Betfair is a trade mark of its owner, and B337 is not affiliated with it.

    Risk: Betting involves risk. A longer price raises what a winning bet pays, not how often it wins, and there is no guarantee of profit. See responsible gambling for limits and support.

    Questions

    How many places are paid in greyhounds with 7 dogs?
    Two, under the 2010 tote rules and the NSW and WA bookmaker rules, which is why a third-placed dog in a seven-dog race returns nothing on a place bet. The exception is a race that had eight dogs at final scratchings and lost one late: the tote still pays three places, and so do NSW and WA bookmaker bets struck while eight dogs were listed, so check when the field dropped.
    Is greyhound each way worth it?
    It depends on price, not length alone: each half is worth it only when its price beats a fair price for the dog's chance of winning or placing, and the Harville method can estimate that fair place price from the win odds. At a quarter of the win odds a dog has to be $5.00 or longer for a placing to return the $20 a $10 each way bet costs, so on a shorter dog a placing alone loses money overall.
    Does a reserve change the place terms?
    A reserve that replaces a dog scratched before scratchings close keeps the field at eight, so the tote still pays three places. If no reserve is available, the field drops to seven and the tote pays two.
    What are greyhound place terms at online bookmakers?
    Each online bookmaker sets its own: its terms say whether the place half of an each way bet pays the dog's own quoted place price or a fraction of the win odds, when it counts the field, and what it pays on a dead heat. Read them before a place or each way bet, and again for any race with fewer than eight dogs.
    Can you bet a place on a four-dog greyhound race?
    Not on the tote: under the tote rules gazetted in WA in 2010, place betting needs at least five runners at final scratchings. If late scratchings take a race below five, the place pool is treated as abandoned and refunded.

    Sources

    • Greyhounds Australasia Rules, effective 1 January 2026, Greyhounds Australasia
    • NSW Greyhound Racing Rules, effective 1 November 2025 (Part 11, bookmakers and betting), Greyhound Welfare and Integrity Commission
    • Racing and Wagering Western Australia (Adopted TABCORP Betting Rules), WA Government Gazette No. 149, 3 August 2010
    • Rules of Wagering 2005 (r 49, r 50 and r 55), Western Australia
    • Grading Guidelines, effective 5 August 2026, Greyhound Racing Victoria

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